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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Xetal Maelstrom
1.) Building a list of satisfied clients for the future.
I didn't even think of this when I thought of limiting investors. Rather, I agree with Cista, and having one investor gives that investor too much power (to ruin rep, or other crazy, stupid things I've known Eve players to do).
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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:02:00 -
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Another thought. This didn't occur to me before, but with a single investor people could easily claim that I was using my own alt to "invest" in me as a stage to manufacture history of successful bonds. Or the single investor could screw with me in a similar way.
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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.23 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
never said you where arrogant.
though you are :D there now ive said it.
you really think your data on your account is worth anything to an auditor?
you just showed that you have something to hide.
what ever that is i dont know.
but its not something that makes me want to invest in you.
glad we had this little talk :D
No, she didn't say that. If you reread her last post very carefully, she said she just hasn't need to give an auditor her API yet, and actually said she probably would for the next bond or whatever that she does.
Just because she hasn't needed an auditor to acheive her investments doesn't mean she's inherently hiding something and/or arrogant.
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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.23 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
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haven't handed over my api yet and I am not planning to either
The arrogance is in saying indirectly that she doesnt trust the auditor.
As stated each to his/her own, i stated what i think, thats all.
I see. She did say she "didn't much fancy the auditor" seeing what she was investing for Dominion.
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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: LarcatOfRens
To answer the OP ---
1) Maximum investment limits are there, near as I can tell to:
1) Limit reputation exposure from any 1 individual.
2) (And mostly this), to grind MD rep.
2) This is mostly a fallicy that I am seeing perpetuated by the people that don't understand why you'd have a maximum investment limit. You can't "grind" rep like you can NPC standings, LP, or for ISK. That's like saying I "grinded" a good name for myself by not being naughty and getting A's in school.
Do people prefer to see several happy investors over one? Certainly, as beyond your (1), it leads to a more active bond and more happy investors possibly willing to invest in the future. But I don't see it as having any more or less effect on your reputation as any other successful or failed venture would. More visibility, perhaps, but "grinding for rep" is just a humorous thought, in my opinion.
Unless you were just using your #2 here derogatorily to mean my previous paragraph.
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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 23/10/2009 20:42:35
Originally by: SetrakDark
Traders are understandably hesitant about divulging their secrets for fear that the auditor will either take his niche or sell the info.
You're looking at it a bit too narrowly. There is much more someone with your full API key can do than just "take your niche".
They could try to make profit as you do. More likely, as their comptetitor, they could try to destroy you, or destroy the markets you trade in. Profit for them? Maybe. Doesn't have to be, though. People in Eve crap on you just because they can.
But yes, I do things like trade in certain items at certain times of the week/month. I've found this can maximize my profit margins, and free up my funds for other things at different times. I'm not sure how easy it would be for an "auditor" to recognize this trend, but it's something I've discovered as I've taken the time to look at and test the markets. Why would I want to share that if I don't have to?
There's also much more than just your market transactions you are exposing. Giving your full API key they can see what you are producing, where you have your stuff, what stuff you have, and details of your corporation, as many as your corp roles allow to be exposed. On the other hand, the full API key could also be given to convince others that you are that individual and tarnish your name or use your rep for scamming, etc, so on and so forth.
All this info could also be sold. If I have enemies in areas that I inhabit or if I were at war, those that I feud with could pay the auditor for details of where I keep my stuff, how much ISK in my/corp wallet, etc. They could use this to try to ransom/blackmail me. Or use your imagination. Your private information can be used against you.
Now, I'm not saying that any current auditors would do or have done this, but it is important that people understand just how much they are exposing when they give out their full API key. It's not just about another trader competing with you.
EDIT: In fact, in my opinion it's more important to trust your auditor than to trust someone you will invest in. The investee can only run off with your ISK. The auditor... knows you a bit more intimately.
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Dretzle Omega
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Posted - 2009.10.26 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: SetrakDark
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
shtuff
That all seems a wee bit far-fetched to me, but it's definitely a good point. However, I really was just addressing the issue of trade secrets; everything you mentioned depends on individual circumstance, and should be considered before releasing an API.
Yes, but paranoia has been drilled into me from Day One of Eve. 
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